Gun Control

Can we all agree that guns are a tool for killing? That’s good mutual ground to stand on when discussing run rights. Be it hunting, criminal intent, an unwitting child, an angry teen, a psycho that believes they’re a super-villain, guns are the number one way to make something die. So it stands to reason that more guns and easier access would be taking a stop back (we’re trying to get rid of nukes, not give countries more of them, it’s the same logic), when all we want is to live freely without fear of being shot or killed. So how do we solve this problem? Tax the shit out of guns and ammo, just like cigarettes and booze. It’s important to push high taxes on things that kill people because it costs our medical system a fortune in preventable deaths and illness, and the money’s got to come from somewhere. Eventually people will stop because they just can’t afford it anymore. You can’t make it illegal, Americans would go ape-ship if they couldn’t carry a gun–they’d think the Illuminati were starting their world takeover. So just make it extremely hard to access. Guns don’t need to be sold at every single retail shop, it’s not a cup of coffee, it’s a weapon. It should go without saying, but a psych-evaluation, and gun-safety classes should be mandatory too.

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16 thoughts on “Gun Control

  1. There are a lot of people who enjoy firearms for hunting, target shooting, clay shooting ect. As a gun owner I do believe there needs to be restrictions on firearms including background checks, gun safety education, mental health screenings, licensing, and safe storage requirements, much like they have in the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and much of Europe. But idea of “taxing the shit out of them” so that “people can’t afford them anymore” seems a bit extreme, in essence a de facto ban. In addition, why severely restrict all firearms in such a way when handguns make up the vast majority of gun deaths, both intentional and accidental, while assault weapons are the mass shooters weapon of choice? In fact according to CDC and FBI statistics long guns of all types only account for a few hundred of some 30,000 firearm deaths. Why “tax the shit out of” simple hunting and sporting firearms? Hows that going to keep handguns and assault rifles out of the wrong hands when they are the problem? Wouldn’t it just punish and make gun ownership unaffordable for those gun owners who are the most unlikely to contribute to death statistics?

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  2. Can we all agree that guns are a tool for killing?

    Sorry we can’t agree. Intent isn’t transferable. A firearm in the hands of a police officer is used for his protection and ours. A firearm in the hands of an Olympic athlete is for target shooting – Punching holes in paper. Skeet, Trap, Falling Plate, IDPA, Silhouettes; dozens of others sports exist where no intent to harm exists.

    So it stands to reason that more guns, and making access easier would be taking a stop back (we’re trying to get rid of nukes, not give countries more of them; same logic), when all we want is to live freely without fear of being shot or killed.

    Except the only thing stopping the rogue nations or those bent on world domination is the certain knowledge there are enough nukes in the hands of peaceful countries to remove that nation state should it be needed. Mutually assured destruction isn’t the best policy but it is one that works.
    Make it be known that the law abiding are at a severe disadvantage emboldens the criminals. Criminals don’t fear prison, they don’t fear the police; they fear encountering an armed victim.

    Tax the shit out of guns and ammo, just like cigarettes and booze(it’s important to push high taxes on things that kill people because it costs our medical system a fortune in preventable deaths and illness; money’s got to come from something).

    Except millions of people peacefully, legally and morally exercise their 2nd Amendment rights without harming a single person. What you want to do is tax them for the misdeeds of others. Like making people who don’t drink pay for the alcoholics.
    Taxing something prohibitively doesn’t work — it just creates a black market. Never mind the fact that the right of self defense is a fundamental right protected by the Constitution.

    So it should go without saying, a psych-evaluation, and gun-safety classes should be mandatory too.

    Why stop at guns; let’s have the government approve all bloggers (you!), all parents, all cooks (food poison), all religious institutions, — let’s put the government in control of every aspect of our lives.

    NOT.

    The government isn’t supposed to approve people exercising their rights it is supposed not to interfere with the exercise of those rights.

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  3. Sorry, the number one way to make something die is
    1 – harsh and careless words
    2 – buy them, take them home, put them in a vase
    3 – give them a uniform and send them overseas
    ….
    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lcod.htm

    Heart disease: 597,689
    Cancer: 574,743
    Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 138,080
    Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 129,476
    Accidents (unintentional injuries): 120,859
    Alzheimer’s disease: 83,494
    Diabetes: 69,071
    Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,476
    Influenza and Pneumonia: 50,097
    Intentional self-harm (suicide): 38,364

    Seriously, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    For all that people make it sound like USA is killing itself off with bullets, these stats show a different view. Yes, someone that does not own a gun is skeptical of the hype. If it were not for drug cartels the Americas would be below the world average homicide rate.

    The point is, there are a bunch of things which should rate higher on the “we have to stop this now” scale of concerns.

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    1. It’s not the number one way people die this is true, but guns are still an effective tool for killing. And if I wrote a post about taxing cheeseburgers people would just assume I was nuts.

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      1. Yes guns are an effective tool for killing. So is all killing bad?

        Would you kill to stop a pedophile from grabbing a small child? Would you kill to protect your parent(s) from being beaten to death?

        Not all violence is bad; some is designed to protect. The problem is people think they can stop predatory violence by enacting laws to disarm those who seek to use violence to protect.

        Let’s go back to what you said earlier:
        “Eventually people will stop because they just can’t afford it anymore.”

        How’s that working out for the War on (Some) Drugs?
        Are drugs less affordable now then before? Less potent? Less available?
        Nope, nope, and nope.

        Nor do criminals care greatly about the cost; they will just steal other people’s money, valuables or lives to get what they want. The F.B.I. estimates 50% of all homicides and 85% of all violent crime is drug or gang related. So the reality is the desire to stop a ‘bad’ activity has actually increased violence. This is repeatedly the case; look at Prohibition of Alcohol in the ’20s.

        What we need is to put violent offenders who are unwilling to reform in prison and keep them there.

        Seventy percent of violent felons had a prior arrest record, and 57% had at least one prior arrest for a felony. Sixty-seven percent of murderers and 73% of those convicted of robbery or assault had an arrest record.

        From the Bureau of Justice Statistics; let’s stop the revolving door before the thugs get to the point of murder, eh?

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        1. If you want to make a valid point, stop using anecdotal evidence. What you’re bringing to the table isn’t even worth arguing. I don’t care if people own or use guns. I hunt. But I don’t think every man women and child should walk around with a loaded gun.

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          1. Anecdotal evidence?? Such as what??
            Statistics from the Bureau of Justice Statistics?
            Facts about who is committing crime?

            Point out where I’m using anecdotal evidence

            But I don’t think every man women and child should walk around with a loaded gun.

            Nice straw man argument. Set it up and knock it down — easy money for you. Unfortunately no one is claiming that every man, woman and child should walk around with a loaded handgun…well no one except gun control advocates like you.

            The Right to keep and bear arms isn’t about hunting; it is about defense of self; from criminals be they governmental or street corner thugs. Glad you hunt, more power to you but let’s not implement a poll tax on a fundamental right. That was tried and found to be wanting.
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                1. You realize you just did what you are accusing me of doing. Look, this is my piece of paradise, I don’t have to defend myself here because it simply doesn’t matter what we each believe. We’re going to have different opinions, and being able to argue, or not argue about them is exactly what makes this country so great. I’ll level, some of my argument is also anecdotal; I’m not on stage at Harvard here, and I don’t owe you any argument at all. So lets agree to disagree.

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                  1. Suit yourself, Just putting the argument out there for the readers.
                    People should be able to see both sides of the argument, decide for themselves which is rational, legal and moral.

                    I will call people on claims that are not factual. I’ve supported my arguments with facts, statistics and logical basis. Nothing ancedotal about it.

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